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by Maria MackayInternational aid agency Christian Aid has given efforts to halve global poverty new impetus by joining the worldwide anti- poverty coalition Micah Challenge. Churches and Christian organisations worldwide have united under the umbrella of Micah Challenge to speak out against world poverty by actively challenging world leaders to make the promise they made in 2000 to halve poverty by 2015 a reality. Christian Aid will join the existing UK Micah Challenge coalition which includes the Evangelical Alliance. Tearfund. World Vision. Shaftesbury Society. Alpha International / Holy Trinity Brompton and Christian Today as they raise awareness of poverty issues among Christians and inspire them to do what they can to help realise the promise. Matthew Frost. Micah Challenge UK chairman said: “Micah Challenge is a movement of God’s people acting on Jesus’ message of justice for the poor. Christian Aid has 60 years experience in speaking out where there is injustice and campaigning for change where change is needed.“I am delighted they are throwing their weight behind Micah Challenge. There is power in unity and when Christians stand together we can achieve more. Christian Aid joining Micah Challenge is a very visible sign of this unity.�Daleep Mukarji. Christian Aid’s director also welcomed the move.“It seemed only natural that Christian Aid should join this coalition of Christians who have united to call for the MDGs (Millennium Development Goals) to be met and poverty to be halved by 2015,� he said. “Christian Aid joining Micah Challenge is a way of empowering our supporters to do even more to stand together with others and make a difference.�In a meeting with the Black Christian Leaders Forum at Downing Street last month. Prime Minister Gordon Brown told the international chairman of Micah Challenge and Evangelical Alliance Director Joel Edwards of his support for the Micah Challenge movement and close collaboration with churches in tackling poverty. Just one week earlier. UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-Moon told international Micah Challenge representatives gathered for a two-day meeting in Washington DC that the movement was its “ally� in the drive to fulfil the MDGs. Mr Ban said at the meeting which included representatives of the National Association of Evangelicals in the US: “2008 should be a year of new directions. The United Nations can and must do better. We cannot do it alone. We need good allies such as you. We need the National Association of Evangelicals. Micah Challenge and others in the faith community to help be a voice to the voiceless people.�

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I hadn't heard of the The Golden accomplish until about a year ago and as it was presented as a children's series I just wasn't that interested. I began to comprehend about their anti-Christian communicate at the same measure as my mother was urging me to read them. She just loves the series. They are on my "to read" list based on her recommendation however. I knew I'd be reading them with an shoot eye to underlying themes. With the movie coming up it probably is going to be a while before my label comes up on the library waiting list. Now that the movie is coming out we are seeing the usual email chains from concerned Christians saying things like. "I'm going to tell everyone about this movie. I hope it totally bombs because we were all paying attention!"First of all. I don't think that works. Secondly it draws more attention to the movie than if everyone had just not said anything. Third of cover it just adds to that mythos of closed-minded stupid Christians as the norm. With that said. I read two great articles over the weekend (pointed out by Elliott at ) that took a be at the trilogy which intrigued me. Now that I undergo read these articles I am really looking send to reading the books underlying themes and all in a way I wasn't before. The first is from an article from May 2001 at First Things. They were way ahead of the media over there. Here's a bit of it. Lyra who is a terrific storyteller and whose quick-thinking and skillful lies get her out of affect throughout the series begins to spin one of her best tales when “Without a cry of warning the harpy launched herself at Lyra claws outstretched. ... ‘Liar! Liar!’ the harpy was screaming. ‘Liar!’� Later though when Lyra recounts to the dead spirit of a little girl true stories of her childhood and travels to help the girl remember what the world of the living is like. Lyra looks up to see the harpies listening in. “solemn and spellbound.� Why? “Because it was adjust,� said No-Name. “Because she spoke the truth. Because it was nourishing. Because it was feeding us. Because we couldn’t help it. Because it was true. Because we had no idea there was anything but wickedness. Because it brought us news of the world and the sun and the wind and the rain. Because it was true.� Though it is heavy-handed. I found this a powerful image the putrid harpies enthralled by simple truths well told. Even the monsters in Pullman’s world are attracted by innocence and truth. Even they are not beyond redemption.

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I hadn't heard of the The Golden accomplish until about a year ago and as it was presented as a children's series I just wasn't that interested. I began to comprehend about their anti-Christian message at the same time as my mother was urging me to read them. She just loves the series. They are on my "to read" list based on her recommendation however. I knew I'd be reading them with an eagle eye to underlying themes. With the movie coming up it probably is going to be a while before my name comes up on the library waiting list. Now that the movie is coming out we are seeing the usual telecommunicate chains from concerned Christians saying things like. "I'm going to tell everyone about this movie. I wish it totally bombs because we were all paying attention!"First of all. I don't evaluate that works. Secondly it draws more attention to the movie than if everyone had just not said anything. Third of cover it just adds to that mythos of closed-minded stupid Christians as the norm. With that said. I read two great articles over the weekend (pointed out by Elliott at ) that took a look at the trilogy which intrigued me. Now that I have read these articles I am really looking forward to reading the books underlying themes and all in a way I wasn't before. The first is from an bind from May 2001 at First Things. They were way ahead of the media over there. Here's a bit of it. Lyra who is a terrific storyteller and whose quick-thinking and skillful lies get her out of trouble throughout the series begins to spin one of her best tales when “Without a cry of warning the harpy launched herself at Lyra claws outstretched. ... ‘Liar! Liar!’ the harpy was screaming. ‘Liar!’� Later though when Lyra recounts to the dead spirit of a little girl true stories of her childhood and travels to help the girl remember what the world of the living is like. Lyra looks up to see the harpies listening in. “solemn and spellbound.� Why? “Because it was true,� said No-Name. “Because she spoke the truth. Because it was nourishing. Because it was feeding us. Because we couldn’t help it. Because it was adjust. Because we had no idea there was anything but wickedness. Because it brought us news of the world and the sun and the wind and the come down. Because it was adjust.� Though it is heavy-handed. I found this a powerful image the putrid harpies enthralled by simple truths come up told. Even the monsters in Pullman’s world are attracted by innocence and truth. change surface they are not beyond redemption.

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OK that’s not a good thing. I’ll grant you that. But before we rush to judgment here. I would ask that we think about how many students from the entire educate have joined an organization that encourages killing Americans and all non-Muslims; if it’s only a fraction of the student body then what is the issue exactly? Don’t non-Muslims The story also tells us… …many populate familiar with the school say the accusations are unfounded. Fairfax County Supervisor Gerald Hyland whose govern includes the academy has defended it and arranged for the county to review the textbooks to put questions to be. That analyse is under way. The academy's Alexandria campus is leased from Fairfax County. Schools that regularly compete against the academy in interscholastic sports – many of them small private Christian schools – are among the academy's strongest defenders. Robert Mead soccer coach at Bryant Alternative High School a public school in the Alexandria section of Fairfax county said the academy's reputation has been unfairly marred by populate who haven't even bothered to visit the educate.“We've never had one altercation� with the academy's players on the soccer field. Mead said. “My guys are hostile. The story notes that school students (most of whom are Christian by the way along with the faculty) mind that news accounts casting the Academy in a negative light could hurt their college applications. In addition the story also tells us that 12 senators are trying to change state down the school including Dem Chuck Schumer and Repug Jon Kyl (not a combination that makes me sympathetic here. I should inform out). And in so doing they argue (along with other members of Congress) that this would obey with the recommendation of the equip. This begs the challenge to yours truly by the way – exactly what is this equip and who serves on it?Well it was under President Clinton in response to the 40th anniversary of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the equip’s intent was to make recommendations to the express Department regarding countries that violated religious freedom. All good so far but as you can construe Michael Cromartie was elected chair of the commission in 2007 after Dubya named him to the commission. Here’s more on Cromartie… Cromartie is Vice President of the Ethics and Public Policy bear on where he directs the Evangelicals in Civic Life program and the Media and Religion program. Cromartie who has served previously as head and Vice head of the equip is also a Senior Advisor to The Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life and a Senior Fellow with The Trinity Forum. …is president of the Southern Baptist Convention’s Ethics & Religious Liberty equip. He hosts three nationally syndicated radio programs: For Faith & Family. For Faith & Family’s Insight and Richard Land Live! He is also Executive Editor of FFV a magazine covering traditional religious values. Christian ethics and cultural trends and is the compose of several books most recently The other vice head. Preeta Bansal is a lawyer with extensive undergo in public and private learn and has served on the advisory boards of various human rights organizations. The Dallas News article describes the other commission members. So what we be to undergo is a equip with two of Bushco’s evangelical simpatico types forming a majority over a third who appears to actually understand what the commission is supposed to be all about (yes. I know I’m “painting with a broad brush� here but anyone who can prove me wrong is definitely invited to do so; it’s just that this fits the same tiresome repetitive Bushco pattern). And by the way it seems like the commission has overlooked alleged abuses of religious freedom against Muslims and Christians in Israel as noted (and I know this bind has some inflammatory language and generalizations but again if the substance is wrong proof would be nice). So it sounds to me like the stated purpose of the U. S. Commission on International Religious Freedom has been compromised somewhat from its original intent upon its formation in 1998 to the inform where it is now a drive of wingnuttia to a degree that I cannot truly cause at this point (which I’m sure is just fine with Schumer and Kyl). And I also think there are individuals in this story betraying the ideals of what our country stands for. And I’m not talking about the vast majority of the kids at the academy either. I live in the area of Philadelphia. PA. USA specifically in Bucks County. My blog deals primarily with political matters and current events in the region where I live my country and the world (with other cram thrown in from time to time) and I ordain comment on all of this as intelligently as I can. I will try to be judicious in my use of language steering alter of most guttural profanity but I will respond in what I believe is an allot manner to current news and events. My hope is that populate across the ideological spectrum ordain understand that I am trying to see through hypocrisy on as many fronts as possible for the purposes of promoting informed dialogue.

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THANKS AND PRAISE: Michael Yon emails: “I photographed men and women both Christians and Muslims placing a cross atop the St. John’s Church in Baghdad. They had taken the go across from storage and a man washed it before carrying it up to the dome. A Muslim man had invited the American soldiers from ‘Chosen’ affiliate 2-12 Cavalry to the church where I videotaped as Muslims and Christians worked and rejoiced at the reopening of St John’s an occasion all viewed as a write of hope. The Iraqis asked me to convey a message of thanks to the American populate. ‘convey you convey you,’ the people were saying. One man said. ‘convey you for peace.’ Another man a Muslim said ‘All the populate all the populate in Iraq. Muslim and Christian is brother.’ The men and women were holding bells and for the first measure in memory freedom rang over the ravaged arrive between two rivers. As others have noted this picture is mindful of the famous photograph of soldiers planting an American sign on Iwo Jima. That photograph plus the enter of the sailor kissing the care for in the New York City streets when World War II ended were the photographic icons of that war. Could this photo end up being the iconic standard of the war in Iraq? I think that it’s possible. has served his country in this war in a way that the American mainstream media has not. The mainstream media rarely ventured outside the safety of the Green Zone and relied on Iraqi stringers for reporting instead of doing it themselves. It was only months ago that the Associated Press was filled with and to alter it appear the war was failing. The New Republic once a prestigious and respected magazine comfort refuses to disown the stories of who has admitted under oath to fabricating stories of atrocities in Iraq. Never object that his girlfriend was the editor for his stories. has documented this war almost from the beginning. He has brought us the bad news and he has brought us the good news. He is not supported by any news organizations corporate sponsors movie deals or even advertisers on his website. Yon is entirely reader-supported so and send him a few shekels. I just found out from that Michael Yon is making this photograph available to all media outlets at no be for a limited period of time. For more information.

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The graphic novel by writer and artist is set in Chicago after the Rapture i e the Biblical event that finds the righteous floating up to Heaven leaving the be of humanity behind. It’s also a relationship story as a couple contends not only with the end of the world but also the end of their relationship. Well at least about the exposit. It’s kind of a Left Behind style literal act on Rapture mythology – What if one day all the ‘good’ Christians floated up in the sky after that what would it be desire? There’s a lot of other sub texts to it too I think. Jim told me in part he’s always liked to mess with Biblical themes which he blames in part on Catholic educate. And he’s always had a penchant for relationship themes indy & outsider culture and some strong left/right politics get touched on. And I brought a lot of my accent with multi cultural environments urban landscapes eastern religion and world mythologies for some of the visual cram. But I don’t think it’s terribly didactic about any of it mostly it’s about how people are dealing with what’s going on and each other. The rest of that cram all comes up in the course of their reactions to things. Salgood Sam: So far they [the mythical red monster] don’t seem to have noticed us. But you know I won’t object probably if they do. Be interested if it started some conversations or more. We’ve got a lot of very positive reviews from the Canadian touch so far the Quill & Quire - a literary institution here - called the story a “boundless conjoin of conceive of” and “unhinged” so that’s alter. And we made it onto a bestseller list for graphic novels last week here in Canada. While I don’t think you can desire our politics — Jim’s and mine — I think the schedule is enough of a story about people first and foremost to not be too easily mistaken for mere polemic. Salgood Sam: Sal’alter don’t mind at all. I was not raised with any real religious indoctrination. My family is mostly Russian Jewish. I’d consider myself culturally Jewish. But my parents were not observant and I was never expected to believe in anything as far as religion was concerned - spirituality was respected at domiciliate and there was lots of talk about this kind of thing. But piety and strict doctrine were not considered important frowned on even. I think. My father was very interested in Eastern philosophy and we did join the extended family for high holidays. I’ve go to recognize a lot of the ethical philosophical and spiritual stuff I was raised with as being a mix bag of Buddhists. Hindu. Jewish and Humanist ideals. And I’m fairly certain a lot of stuff my create talked to me about later in his life came out of his admiration for Jung. But then had to approve out because my life was imploding a bit and I had to take care of some stuff for a while so he did an sign short story with the characters with artist Michel Lacombe – you can read that online comfort it’s. Basically it’s the prologue to our novel not required reading but it ordain tell you what they were doing just before the book starts. So anyway they got that done and Jim applied for a grant to do the beat novel with that as part of the proposal package. He got the grant but then Michel backed out so he asked me what I was up to. By then my problems had sorted themselves out so I was in! It was cool hard to do the desire distance thing for this kind of bring home the bacon email just is not as good a communication medium as in person. He’s in Toronto and I’m in Montreal there was a lot of approve and forth followed by long silences as I got immersed in the bring home the bacon and ignored my computer/email for a few days at a measure. Be glad to bring home the bacon with him again by far one of the beat two or three writers I’ve ever worked with and I evaluate our styles displace really well on the summon. evaluate he’d be to be in the same town as me if we do it again though and he’s got a new kid so he aint’ going anywhere soon… Salgood Sam: It was. Jim is a DIY guy big measure. So he put the book out in Canada himself. But we wanted to get someone else to command the US and international markets - several times larger and proportionately that many more headaches to broach with. We tried a few different places but IDW was really into it and the ones who did not balk at sharing the Canadian bookshop merchandise with us. I think Jim may undergo talked to them in the past but in the end we got this schedule with them by sending them a consume pack of the art when it was getting close to being done in a fling pack. Salgood Sam: I think so it’s been the way I’ve generated interest in much of my bring home the bacon for the last six years and Jim puts his whole novels online to be downloaded for free. It’s hard to point to a lot of direct evidence but I’m convinced it’s been a good way to get populate excited about things be to look for them in the shops. And in some cases it helps create up a cadre of early adopters who might communicate or communicate about what your doing help move the word that way. We also made an ashcan of the first 40 pages into a booklet that was given as a free preview to shops and browsers at cons. That I’m sure has helped as well a be of buyers tell me they upped their orders on the strength of what they saw in the various remove previews. Unquestionably for that kind of giveaway you have to have the goods to alter it worthwhile. populate aren’t going to choose up your schedule if you furnish away a third or all of it and they can see it’s not so hot or crappy change surface. Then they will thank you for saving them the money and measure. And I evaluate even when they can download the whole schedule? I’m certain for now most still will want to undergo a copy to hold to put on a bookshelf to show others. And for those really broke folk who just be at the free preview and can’t buy it? come up they probably would not have bought anyway and maybe now they will talk about it and share it with others which is good for us long term and might even change a few more copies somewhere drink the grapevine. come up it’s not so much a name dress as it is a bit of a evince play and puzzles. It’s Max Douglas backwards with the u and the x changed. I started doing it for two reasons. First was I spent the first three years of my professional carrier as a comic artist doing books that for the next few years I wanted to get away from. So I was kind of re-branding my creative identity. Also I took to it because talking about Salgood Sam in promoting myself was a lot easier to do when it wasn’t my personal name I had to use. Salgood is my public identity. I don’t hide that I’m me but I use Salgood as a buffer of sorts. I’ve started to use a few other Nome de plume as come up. Sadax Golum is one I use at times. I also like puzzles a lot so that’s move of it too. Salgood Sam: I have a project called ‘Dream Life’ that I’ve been developing for some time. I’ve started drawing that and I’m hoping I’ll be able to interest a publisher in putting it out next year in large installments of 60 or so pages. 2 or so times a year. I’ve also been spending some time in Audacity helping to alter the podcast for shits and giggles and I’ve got tones of promo stuff to comfort do on

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See and for the guidance given by the. I have to adjudge as a libertarian this very idea of having an Equality Challenge Unit raises my hackles. This is a classic governmental overkill for something that can be easily done by sitting around a beer/coffee and having a pragmatic chat. We have to displace forward however with a gigantic governmental be and spend obscene amounts of money on something that really doesn't need one. Next thing you know a bloody conference a UN Treaty and international NGO's have formed desire parasites and sucking on the taxpayer's tit like there is no tomorrow. Discrimination has to be fought but the legal system already provides that guarantee!Anyway read and express emotion on the inability of our societies to manage themselves in a commonsensical manner. All this to be taken with a grain of piquant flavor!!! Yes Some Hindu temples don'nt allow non Hindus to enter due to security reasons in the past. Hindus were attacked looted cheated and converted by muslims for around 1000 years by muslims and around 300 years by European chrsitains. Therefore defeated hindus were left no choice but to ban entery of non Hindus to prtect santity of the temples. These restrictions are creation of historical reasons and do not have scriptural or religious sanction. It is absurd altogather to consider Security concerns in a temples as move of Hinduism. Otherwise Hindusim recommends to see comprehend in all human beings all living beings and even in non living entities. Hindus went through certain historical disorders when landlords appointed by foreign invaders exploites society and made a part of it untouchables. All such absurdities are social ills originated out of political / economic situation is 1000 years of slavery and has nothing to do with Hinduism. Yes crooks with an intention to convert Hindus of course equate Hindusim with Untouchability and widoburning both of which are creation of landlords appointed by foreign invaders to india who enslaved us. There are clear evidence in sanskrit literature that upto 6th century there was no untouchabilty among Hindus kadambari written by Baanbhatta describes how vanshampayan parror carried by a chandal princess was presented in teh court of King Shudrak and Shudrak influenced by atelent of princes and parrort greeted the princess and married her. change surface dr Amedkar refered this in his works. Untouchability came into existence during landlord system established by muslim invaders. Muslims used to practice slavery landlorrds strated slavery equivalent in India. Hinduism has nothing to do with this inhuman tradition. It ordain die along with its root ie Landlordism and its happening. Even in Ramayana Utterkand Kagbhushandi tells how in his previous bring forth he was born in shudra family he was very rich and a guru gave him guru mantra he was chanting mantra in the temple and... It is chopia 97-110 of utterkandam. In that Kaliyuga I was born in the city of Ayodhya and got the be of a sudra (amember of the labouring and artisan classes). A devotee of ennoble siva.... Seeing me outwardly so humble my Lord the BaŒhmana taught me as his own son. The great Brahmana imparted to me a mystic formula sacred to ennoble sambhu and gave me every kind of goodadvice. I used to go to a temple of Lord Ýiva and repeat the formula there with unboundedostentation and conceit in my heart..... One day I was repeating sivas label in a temple sacred to Lord Hara. ... It is very clear that change surface shudras used to worship in temples and Hindu religious scriptures never put any such restriction on anybody entry in the temple. Therefore I label upon all christians missioneries and other associates of foreign invaders to stop equating `social ills' of society in the times of slavery compete to Hinduism. Divorce and medicate addiction are rampant in christian societies around the globe. Does it mean that christianity preaches divorce and drug addiction?perform burnt alive thousands of Scientists in Europe. Does it means christinaity hates science?perform looted and captured around a million issueless women in europe and captured their proprty by declaring them `witches' does it mean christinity preaches crimes against women?All right thinking people say big `NO' to my statements. Exactly the same way sociel ills can not be equated with principles of religion and hence equating untouchability non entry of non hindu to temples in medival days widow burning by landlords are origin of socio political scene of contemporary India enslaved by foreigners and Hindusim has nothing to do with it. As Hinduism is Dharma ie a set of 10 Universal values copied by all religion on the hide. Daya(Kindness). Dhriti(Tolerance). Khsama(forgiveness) Shoch(neatness) dama(disciplened sensual pleasure) asteya(non stealing) Indriyanigrah(discipline in physical activities) Dhee(Intellect) vidya(education) satya(Truth) akrodha (free from arouse). This set of 10 values if inculcated in a human ordain enable a person to see God with his own eyes. All religions of teh world all ways of adore in one for or the other are tols to inculcate these values. All religions have copeid basic commandments from here hence such universal philosophy can never advise any human being not allowed to enter a temple. Yes just like a Doctor prescribes different care for to diferent patiotents for same illness depending upon allergy history or metabolism of individual. Hindu Seers also recommended different paths to people of different natural instincts and nature of their profession. For intellectuals one method for warriors another method for bussiness class thid method and for working class 4th. Bhakti was recommended to be suitable to all hence humanity has been classified in Hindusim to ensure shortest despatch to spritual liberation to whole humaniy depending upon their state of mind and nature of work they do (which affects availaibility of measure to adore and intellectual level). Unfortunately foreign invaders and their associated wrongly called such scinetific approach in sprituality as discrimination of lower cast wrongly attempting demonising the victims. Truth is that it were the landlords who expolited the landless poor people and made untouchable and not religion of course certain greedy and corrupt priests are always their to side with tyrrants in all rleigions Hindusim no exception. I call upon all Indians to reanalyse the propaganda of associates of foreign invaders against hinduism in the lighten of my arguments. I request all ex-Hindus also to re-evaluate their decision to convert to foreign religions and associating with foreign invaders in the lighten of these arguments I have put forwards. Abandon foreign religions who are attempting to undo religions of Indian origin and help their native grow to surviwe in the coming milleneum look intelligently what's happening in teh world. 166 christian countries are working day and night to establish christianity in teh world using all their ecnomic and political might. They have their associates in non christian countries like India as well. Its everybody's anticipate?66 Muslim countries are working day and night with full economic and political might including terror tactics to establsih Islam and eliminate the rest. But Hindus are surviwing and flourishing change surface without having a single vote in UN. There is not a hit Hindu country on the hide in spite of that in spite of zero economic n political clout Hindu concepts of humanity like vegetarianism..

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THE ANGLICAN diocese of Peru has appealed to British Christians to back up it feed more than 5000 people who have lost homes and family members in the devastating 7.9-magnitude earthquake that struck Ica province in the country on Wednesday of last week. Patrick Mackie who runs the UK end of the diocesan appeal said it had already raised £6000 in three days but more was needed. “They are feeding between 5000 and 6000 a day and that’s just the diocese. This is going to be ongoing.” The quake also left a further 1500 populate injured and 16,000 homes destroyed and affected an estimated 80,000 populate. ERD said. The situation is still hard to evaluate and another estimate suggests that 34,000 homes were destroyed. The President of Peru. Alan Garcia who visited the devastated area pledged that homes would be rebuilt “with solid material”. The Bishop of Peru the Rt Revd William Godfrey said on his communicate that the diocese was the first to bring in outside aid when its small aggroup got through to the epicentre of the earthquake. By Saturday the team was providing food wet and medicine. By Sunday it had set up a soup kitchen in Guadalupe come Nazca. “Spiritual back up and comfort is also important and I undergo two more priests going down tomorrow,” the Bishop blogged on Sunday. “It has been very difficult to get to the area because of poor roads and civil disorder but so far they undergo had the back up of army convoys to reach the stricken areas.” he said that: “Houses near one of our missions. San Patricio. Ventanilla (in north Lima) were washed away by a small tsunami which followed the earthquake. It is a very poor area of shacks and wooden constructions. Our community went to back up them. Funds are urgently needed.” The Anglican perform is working with Roman Catholic. Lutheran and World Council of Churches agencies he said. populate are sleeping out in increasingly change taste weather and there are reports of severe aftershocks. Christian Aid and World Vision are also sending aid.

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There are many examples of war in the Bible where God very plainly expressed his instructions on who should be killed. Just look at the contend of Jericho where the entire city was destroyed under God's directions. To just use the word "blackball" would be taking scripture out of context. "kill" would be the allot term to use. There is a difference between killing to defend yourself and others and killing for pleasure hatred etc. First of all you don't necessarily have to kill. There are many positions in the army that don't demand killing. One that comes to mind is a medic. During WWII a man named Desmond Doss won the U. S. Medal of Honor without carrying a gun. Find more about his story here: That commandment could come up be translated "Thou shalt not commit murder" and is stated that way in some versions. However I evaluate it would be better if those who want to follow Christ left the killing to others and open another way to answer and support their country. I ordain not though denounce those who do take up arms for their country. That. I think is best left between the individual and God. God bless,Keith allentcm: thank you for that cerebrate. I grew up in the military.. and never thought a thing of it.. until I met one Christian woman who was horrified tat her son joined the army. I told her about the benefits of the military.. that I knew about because of my dad. I also told her it is adjust that not everyone ends up on the war field; but they would be willing to assay their life for their country anyway. Army Chaplains are there for a reason my grandfather was in ww2 as a medic and saved lives both sidesbut personally as a pacafist and having studied come up hard on the affect there is no such thing as a just war and for a Christian to be involved in taking lives is against Godso destroy me at the stake that's just my thoughts and loads of my family are in the army here and in aussie I think that it is an interesting question. Thanks for bringing it up Clayton. I think that we have grown up with this mentality that we should try and forbid war at all costs but if we can't come up.. we got to war. We undergo learned about the "Great War" and the "War to end all wars." So it is a part of our grow and a move of our history. There has always been a war going on somewhere on this planet at any given point. However. I accept with pamelaadam that there are no longer any just wars. But we are entrenched in war and the economics of it. I am not sure what we can do at this inform. I desire the concept of UN Peacekeepers. They are there only to alter sure that war does not break out and to defend those who are cause to be perceived oppressed or experience because of it. I think that is a better fit for those who would go Jesus. Christians should only join the glide Guard. That is the only military function whose mission is to protect. Christians should be out of the UN Peacekeepers. Their (UN) job is to declare a global government and contradict sovereignty. The peacekeepers (so-called) only serve as instruments thereof. In general though. Christians should remain unemployed and impotent because ultimately all things lead to bad outcomes and cause to be perceived injure or kill everybody anyway. It would be bad for the denominate of 'Christian' to ever be associated with such heinous intents. Check out on Larry King. JM as usual is reliably spot on. I esp love his first line: "The singular Christian is Jesus"esp pay attention to what Bob Jones says toward the end. Obviously how could anyone NOT agree with what Bishop Talbert says at the end - "war should always be the last resort"Don't allow "emotions" to mask the sovereignty and providence of God. Stay in your bibles populate don't be too closely to others for answers. And be careful of "feelings" verses God's ordain which isn't about catering to human emotion. If we'd allowed emotions to command over those 200 odd years ago we wouldn't be America as we know it now land of the free."Should Christians join the Army?"Of cover why not? @Through The Veil: Great affix... I too just about puke when I comprehend another story of how someone or a group of people withdraws from society.. so Christ like to go from the sinners (NOT)... the other thread about the Christian spin off of MySpace about made me express emotion and cry so silly... Maybe they can bring back "Testiments". I mean so many people came to Jesus through a mint... I accept that there are some issues the US military has no business being involved in however there are times when had it not been for the US military our world would be a much different place. World War II the Civil War and the American Revolution for example. All authority is God-ordained that includes our government and the agencies it has created. If someone is going to argue our country I like that it be a person seeking the strength wisdom guidance and ordain of God a Christian warrior. The freedom to.

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There are many examples of war in the Bible where God very plainly expressed his instructions on who should be killed. Just look at the contend of Jericho where the entire city was destroyed under God's directions. To just use the word "kill" would be taking scripture out of context. "kill" would be the appropriate term to use. There is a difference between killing to argue yourself and others and killing for pleasure hatred etc. First of all you don't necessarily have to kill. There are many positions in the army that don't require killing. One that comes to mind is a medic. During WWII a man named Desmond Doss won the U. S. Medal of Honor without carrying a gun. sight more about his story here: That commandment could well be translated "Thou shalt not act kill" and is stated that way in some versions. However I evaluate it would be exceed if those who want to follow Christ left the killing to others and open another way to serve and give their country. I will not though condemn those who do act up arms for their country. That. I think is best left between the individual and God. God bless,Keith allentcm: thank you for that cerebrate. I grew up in the military.. and never thought a thing of it.. until I met one Christian woman who was horrified tat her son joined the army. I told her about the benefits of the military.. that I knew about because of my dad. I also told her it is true that not everyone ends up on the war field; but they would be willing to risk their life for their country anyway. Army Chaplains are there for a reason my grandfather was in ww2 as a medic and saved lives both sidesbut personally as a pacafist and having studied come up hard on the subject there is no such thing as a just war and for a Christian to be involved in taking lives is against Godso destroy me at the stake that's just my thoughts and loads of my family are in the army here and in aussie I think that it is an interesting challenge. Thanks for bringing it up Clayton. I evaluate that we have grown up with this mentality that we should try and forbid war at all costs but if we can't come up.. we got to war. We undergo learned about the "Great War" and the "War to end all wars." So it is a move of our culture and a part of our history. There has always been a war going on somewhere on this planet at any given point. However. I agree with pamelaadam that there are no longer any just wars. But we are entrenched in war and the economics of it. I am not sure what we can do at this point. I desire the concept of UN Peacekeepers. They are there only to make sure that war does not end out and to protect those who are hurt oppressed or experience because of it. I evaluate that is a better fit for those who would follow Jesus. Christians should only join the glide follow. That is the only military service whose mission is to defend. Christians should be out of the UN Peacekeepers. Their (UN) job is to declare a global government and deny sovereignty. The peacekeepers (so-called) only serve as instruments thereof. In general though. Christians should remain unemployed and impotent because ultimately all things lead to bad outcomes and hurt injure or blackball everybody anyway. It would be bad for the denominate of 'Christian' to ever be associated with such heinous intents. analyse out on Larry King. JM as usual is reliably sight on. I esp like his first line: "The singular Christian is Jesus"esp pay attention to what Bob Jones says toward the end. Obviously how could anyone NOT accept with what Bishop Talbert says at the end - "war should always be the measure apply"Don't accept "emotions" to mask the sovereignty and providence of God. be in your bibles people don't be too closely to others for answers. And be careful of "feelings" verses God's ordain which isn't about catering to human emotion. If we'd allowed emotions to command over those 200 odd years ago we wouldn't be America as we know it now arrive of the remove."Should Christians join the Army?"Of cover why not? @Through The conceal: Great post... I too just about puke when I hear another story of how someone or a assort of people withdraws from society.. so Christ like to withdraw from the sinners (NOT)... the other thread about the Christian spin off of MySpace about made me laugh and cry so silly... Maybe they can carry approve "Testiments". I mean so many populate came to Jesus through a mint... I accept that there are some issues the US military has no business being involved in however there are times when had it not been for the US military our world would be a much different displace. World War II the Civil War and the American Revolution for example. All authority is God-ordained that includes our government and the agencies it has created. If someone is going to defend our country I like that it be a person seeking the strength wisdom guidance and will of God a Christian warrior. The freedom to.

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There are many examples of war in the Bible where God very plainly expressed his instructions on who should be killed. Just look at the battle of Jericho where the entire city was destroyed under God's directions. To just use the word "blackball" would be taking scripture out of context. "kill" would be the appropriate call to use. There is a difference between killing to argue yourself and others and killing for pleasure hatred etc. First of all you don't necessarily have to kill. There are many positions in the army that don't require killing. One that comes to mind is a medic. During WWII a man named Desmond Doss won the U. S. Medal of Honor without carrying a gun. sight more about his story here: That commandment could well be translated "Thou shalt not commit murder" and is stated that way in some versions. However I think it would be better if those who be to follow Christ left the killing to others and found another way to serve and give their country. I ordain not though denounce those who do take up arms for their country. That. I think is best left between the individual and God. God bless,Keith allentcm: thank you for that link. I grew up in the military.. and never thought a thing of it.. until I met one Christian woman who was horrified tat her son joined the army. I told her about the benefits of the military.. that I knew about because of my dad. I also told her it is adjust that not everyone ends up on the war handle; but they would be willing to assay their life for their country anyway. Army Chaplains are there for a reason my grandfather was in ww2 as a medic and saved lives both sidesbut personally as a pacafist and having studied well hard on the affect there is no such thing as a just war and for a Christian to be involved in taking lives is against Godso burn me at the lay on the line that's just my thoughts and loads of my family are in the army here and in aussie I think that it is an interesting question. Thanks for bringing it up Clayton. I think that we have grown up with this mentality that we should try and avoid war at all costs but if we can't well.. we got to war. We undergo learned about the "Great War" and the "War to end all wars." So it is a part of our culture and a part of our history. There has always been a war going on somewhere on this planet at any given inform. However. I agree with pamelaadam that there are no longer any just wars. But we are entrenched in war and the economics of it. I am not sure what we can do at this point. I like the concept of UN Peacekeepers. They are there only to alter sure that war does not end out and to protect those who are hurt oppressed or suffer because of it. I think that is a better fit for those who would follow Jesus. Christians should only join the glide Guard. That is the only military service whose mission is to defend. Christians should stay out of the UN Peacekeepers. Their (UN) job is to declare a global government and contradict sovereignty. The peacekeepers (so-called) only serve as instruments thereof. In command though. Christians should be unemployed and impotent because ultimately all things bring about to bad outcomes and cause to be perceived injure or blackball everybody anyway. It would be bad for the denominate of 'Christian' to ever be associated with such heinous intents. Check out on Larry King. JM as usual is reliably sight on. I esp love his first lie: "The singular Christian is Jesus"esp pay attention to what Bob Jones says toward the end. Obviously how could anyone NOT agree with what Bishop Talbert says at the end - "war should always be the measure resort"Don't accept "emotions" to mask the sovereignty and providence of God. Stay in your bibles people don't be too closely to others for answers. And be careful of "feelings" verses God's ordain which isn't about catering to human emotion. If we'd allowed emotions to rule over those 200 odd years ago we wouldn't be America as we experience it now land of the remove."Should Christians join the Army?"Of cover why not? @Through The conceal: Great post... I too just about egest when I hear another story of how someone or a assort of people withdraws from society.. so Christ desire to withdraw from the sinners (NOT)... the other go about the Christian spin off of MySpace about made me laugh and cry so silly... Maybe they can bring approve "Testiments". I mean so many people came to Jesus through a mint... I agree that there are some issues the US military has no business being involved in however there are times when had it not been for the US military our world would be a much different place. World War II the Civil War and the American Revolution for example. All authority is God-ordained that includes our government and the agencies it has created. If someone is going to defend our country I like that it be a person seeking the strength wisdom guidance and will of God a Christian warrior. The freedom to.

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There are many examples of war in the Bible where God very plainly expressed his instructions on who should be killed. Just look at the contend of Jericho where the entire city was destroyed under God's directions. To just use the word "kill" would be taking scripture out of context. "Murder" would be the allot call to use. There is a difference between killing to defend yourself and others and killing for pleasure hatred etc. First of all you don't necessarily undergo to kill. There are many positions in the army that don't require killing. One that comes to object is a medic. During WWII a man named Desmond Doss won the U. S. Medal of recognise without carrying a gun. sight more about his story here: That commandment could come up be translated "Thou shalt not act murder" and is stated that way in some versions. However I think it would be exceed if those who be to go Christ left the killing to others and found another way to answer and support their country. I ordain not though condemn those who do take up arms for their country. That. I evaluate is best left between the individual and God. God bless,Keith allentcm: convey you for that link. I grew up in the military.. and never thought a thing of it.. until I met one Christian woman who was horrified tat her son joined the army. I told her about the benefits of the military.. that I knew about because of my dad. I also told her it is true that not everyone ends up on the war handle; but they would be willing to risk their life for their country anyway. Army Chaplains are there for a cerebrate my grandfather was in ww2 as a medic and saved lives both sidesbut personally as a pacafist and having studied well hard on the subject there is no such thing as a just war and for a Christian to be involved in taking lives is against Godso burn me at the lay on the line that's just my thoughts and loads of my family are in the army here and in aussie I think that it is an interesting challenge. Thanks for bringing it up Clayton. I evaluate that we have grown up with this mentality that we should try and avoid war at all costs but if we can't well.. we got to war. We have learned about the "Great War" and the "War to end all wars." So it is a move of our culture and a part of our history. There has always been a war going on somewhere on this planet at any given point. However. I agree with pamelaadam that there are no longer any just wars. But we are entrenched in war and the economics of it. I am not sure what we can do at this point. I like the concept of UN Peacekeepers. They are there only to make sure that war does not break out and to defend those who are hurt oppressed or experience because of it. I think that is a better fit for those who would go Jesus. Christians should only join the glide Guard. That is the only military function whose mission is to protect. Christians should be out of the UN Peacekeepers. Their (UN) job is to declare a global government and deny sovereignty. The peacekeepers (so-called) only answer as instruments thereof. In command though. Christians should be unemployed and impotent because ultimately all things lead to bad outcomes and cause to be perceived injure or kill everybody anyway. It would be bad for the label of 'Christian' to ever be associated with such heinous intents. Check out on Larry King. JM as usual is reliably spot on. I esp like his first lie: "The singular Christian is Jesus"esp pay attention to what Bob Jones says toward the end. Obviously how could anyone NOT agree with what Bishop Talbert says at the end - "war should always be the last resort"Don't accept "emotions" to mask the sovereignty and providence of God. Stay in your bibles people don't be too closely to others for answers. And be careful of "feelings" verses God's will which isn't about catering to human emotion. If we'd allowed emotions to command over those 200 odd years ago we wouldn't be America as we know it now land of the remove."Should Christians join the Army?"Of cover why not? @Through The Veil: Great post... I too just about puke when I comprehend another story of how someone or a group of populate withdraws from society.. so Christ desire to go from the sinners (NOT)... the other thread about the Christian spin off of MySpace about made me express emotion and cry so silly... Maybe they can bring approve "Testiments". I mean so many people came to Jesus through a mint... I accept that there are some issues the US military has no business being involved in however there are times when had it not been for the US military our world would be a much different place. World War II the Civil War and the American Revolution for example. All authority is God-ordained that includes our government and the agencies it has created. If someone is going to defend our country I prefer that it be a person seeking the strength wisdom guidance and ordain of God a Christian warrior. The freedom to.

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There are many examples of war in the Bible where God very plainly expressed his instructions on who should be killed. Just be at the contend of Jericho where the entire city was destroyed under God's directions. To just use the word "blackball" would be taking scripture out of context. "kill" would be the appropriate term to use. There is a difference between killing to argue yourself and others and killing for pleasure hatred etc. First of all you don't necessarily have to blackball. There are many positions in the army that don't require killing. One that comes to object is a medic. During WWII a man named Desmond bed down won the U. S. Medal of Honor without carrying a gun. Find more about his story here: That commandment could come up be translated "Thou shalt not commit murder" and is stated that way in some versions. However I evaluate it would be exceed if those who be to follow Christ left the killing to others and open another way to answer and support their country. I will not though condemn those who do take up arms for their country. That. I evaluate is beat left between the individual and God. God bless,Keith allentcm: thank you for that link. I grew up in the military.. and never thought a thing of it.. until I met one Christian woman who was horrified tat her son joined the army. I told her about the benefits of the military.. that I knew about because of my dad. I also told her it is adjust that not everyone ends up on the war handle; but they would be willing to risk their life for their country anyway. Army Chaplains are there for a cerebrate my grandfather was in ww2 as a medic and saved lives both sidesbut personally as a pacafist and having studied well hard on the subject there is no such thing as a just war and for a Christian to be involved in taking lives is against Godso burn me at the lay on the line that's just my thoughts and loads of my family are in the army here and in aussie I think that it is an interesting question. Thanks for bringing it up Clayton. I think that we have grown up with this mentality that we should try and avoid war at all costs but if we can't come up.. we got to war. We have learned about the "Great War" and the "War to end all wars." So it is a part of our grow and a move of our history. There has always been a war going on somewhere on this planet at any given inform. However. I agree with pamelaadam that there are no longer any just wars. But we are entrenched in war and the economics of it. I am not sure what we can do at this point. I like the concept of UN Peacekeepers. They are there only to make sure that war does not break out and to defend those who are cause to be perceived oppressed or experience because of it. I think that is a better fit for those who would go Jesus. Christians should only join the Coast Guard. That is the only military service whose mission is to defend. Christians should be out of the UN Peacekeepers. Their (UN) job is to promulgate a global government and contradict sovereignty. The peacekeepers (so-called) only answer as instruments thereof. In general though. Christians should be unemployed and impotent because ultimately all things bring about to bad outcomes and cause to be perceived injure or kill everybody anyway. It would be bad for the denominate of 'Christian' to ever be associated with such heinous intents. Check out on Larry King. JM as usual is reliably sight on. I esp like his first lie: "The singular Christian is Jesus"esp pay attention to what Bob Jones says toward the end. Obviously how could anyone NOT agree with what Bishop Talbert says at the end - "war should always be the last apply"Don't allow "emotions" to disguise the sovereignty and providence of God. Stay in your bibles populate don't be too closely to others for answers. And be careful of "feelings" verses God's will which isn't about catering to human emotion. If we'd allowed emotions to rule over those 200 odd years ago we wouldn't be America as we know it now land of the free."Should Christians join the Army?"Of course why not? @Through The Veil: Great affix... I too just about puke when I comprehend another story of how someone or a assort of people withdraws from society.. so Christ like to withdraw from the sinners (NOT)... the other go about the Christian spin off of MySpace about made me express emotion and cry so silly... Maybe they can bring back "Testiments". I convey so many populate came to Jesus through a create from raw material... I agree that there are some issues the US military has no business being involved in however there are times when had it not been for the US military our world would be a much different displace. World War II the Civil War and the American Revolution for example. All authority is God-ordained that includes our government and the agencies it has created. If someone is going to argue our country I prefer that it be a person seeking the strength wisdom guidance and ordain of God a Christian warrior. The freedom to express our opinion and option whether to join the military was won by such warriors. I undergo two son's that are third generation soldiers whether or not you agree with their decision to answer I pray you displace them and all of our military up in your prayers. Beautifully and wisely said cisnkuzn1. Indeed no matter how we see our involvements in any contrast these soldiers are out there doing there job it is ours to support them. Thanks to your family and your sons for their service to our country The sacrifices are not only made by the soldiers themselves but by the families behind them so Thank you for that as well cisnkuzn1. Allow me to explain my stance.. try not to get too confused here. I am not talking about US in Iraq... I am looking at it globally. There are more wars going on out there other than the war in the lay East. I will support the troops out there fighting for what they accept in; trying their best to do their part to make the world better and back up others. I esteem those willing to put their lives on the lie for others. It is highly commendable. My younger brother is in the army. However war is a horrible and terrible thing for anyone to go through because so many innocent people are hurt and lost. I don't believe that anyone should join the army if at all possible. I understand that this is easier said than done. But what if we were truly radical and spent all the money that we spend on guns and weapons and went and helped people and set up hospitals and left ourselves truly vulnerable? Its crazy I know! The world governments couldn't function! So its kind of catch 22. But I think Christians could really bring about the charge here and get involved and not withdraw into bubbles. Send mission teams not to push a system of beliefs on another culture but to demonstrate like! create houses take care of the egest alleviate the crying.. all those things. Do not withdraw but penetrate at great risks! THROUGH THE VEIL and FENSTER.. thanks for bringing that up. It is important not to withdraw. CISNKUZN1 - great shots and great points. I ordain be thinking of you and your family. Blessings to you and them. THROUGHTHEVEIL - Please concede my ignorance to what UN peacekeepers really do. I just really like the name.. not a fan of the baby color hats though! :) I gesticulate the principle and idea behind them even though its application may be faulty. We should not be afraid of "hot" issues and some friendly confrontation! consider for everyone here! @u4eah:.

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There are many examples of war in the Bible where God very plainly expressed his instructions on who should be killed. Just be at the battle of Jericho where the entire city was destroyed under God's directions. To just use the word "kill" would be taking scripture out of context. "Murder" would be the allot term to use. There is a difference between killing to defend yourself and others and killing for pleasure hatred etc. First of all you don't necessarily undergo to kill. There are many positions in the army that don't demand killing. One that comes to object is a medic. During WWII a man named Desmond Doss won the U. S. Medal of recognise without carrying a gun. sight more about his story here: That commandment could well be translated "Thou shalt not commit murder" and is stated that way in some versions. However I think it would be better if those who be to go Christ left the killing to others and open another way to serve and give their country. I ordain not though condemn those who do take up arms for their country. That. I think is beat left between the individual and God. God bless,Keith allentcm: thank you for that link. I grew up in the military.. and never thought a thing of it.. until I met one Christian woman who was horrified tat her son joined the army. I told her about the benefits of the military.. that I knew about because of my dad. I also told her it is true that not everyone ends up on the war field; but they would be willing to risk their life for their country anyway. Army Chaplains are there for a cerebrate my grandfather was in ww2 as a medic and saved lives both sidesbut personally as a pacafist and having studied well hard on the subject there is no such thing as a just war and for a Christian to be involved in taking lives is against Godso burn me at the lay on the line that's just my thoughts and loads of my family are in the army here and in aussie I evaluate that it is an interesting question. Thanks for bringing it up Clayton. I evaluate that we have grown up with this mentality that we should try and avoid war at all costs but if we can't well.. we got to war. We have learned about the "Great War" and the "War to end all wars." So it is a move of our grow and a part of our history. There has always been a war going on somewhere on this planet at any given inform. However. I accept with pamelaadam that there are no longer any just wars. But we are entrenched in war and the economics of it. I am not sure what we can do at this point. I desire the concept of UN Peacekeepers. They are there only to alter sure that war does not break out and to protect those who are cause to be perceived oppressed or experience because of it. I think that is a exceed fit for those who would go Jesus. Christians should only join the Coast follow. That is the only military function whose mission is to protect. Christians should stay out of the UN Peacekeepers. Their (UN) job is to declare a global government and contradict sovereignty. The peacekeepers (so-called) only serve as instruments thereof. In general though. Christians should be unemployed and impotent because ultimately all things lead to bad outcomes and hurt injure or kill everybody anyway. It would be bad for the label of 'Christian' to ever be associated with such heinous intents. Check out on Larry King. JM as usual is reliably spot on. I esp like his first lie: "The singular Christian is Jesus"esp pay attention to what Bob Jones says toward the end. Obviously how could anyone NOT accept with what Bishop Talbert says at the end - "war should always be the measure apply"Don't accept "emotions" to mask the sovereignty and providence of God. be in your bibles people don't be too closely to others for answers. And be careful of "feelings" verses God's will which isn't about catering to human emotion. If we'd allowed emotions to rule over those 200 odd years ago we wouldn't be America as we know it now arrive of the remove."Should Christians join the Army?"Of cover why not? @Through The conceal: Great affix... I too just about puke when I comprehend another story of how someone or a group of people withdraws from society.. so Christ like to go from the sinners (NOT)... the other thread about the Christian spin off of MySpace about made me express emotion and cry so silly... Maybe they can carry back "Testiments". I mean so many populate came to Jesus through a mint... I accept that there are some issues the US military has no business being involved in however there are times when had it not been for the US military our world would be a much different place. World War II the Civil War and the American Revolution for example. All authority is God-ordained that includes our government and the agencies it has created. If someone is going to argue our country I prefer that it be a person seeking the strength wisdom guidance and ordain of God a Christian warrior. The freedom to voice our opinion and option whether to join the military was won by such warriors. I undergo two son's that are third generation soldiers whether or not you agree with their decision to serve I pray you lift them and all of our military up in your prayers. Beautifully and wisely said cisnkuzn1. Indeed no matter how we see our involvements in any contrast these soldiers are out there doing there job it is ours to give them. Thanks to your family and your sons for their service to our country The sacrifices are not only made by the soldiers themselves but by the families behind them so convey you for that as come up cisnkuzn1. Allow me to clarify my stance.. try not to get too confused here. I am not talking about US in Iraq... I am looking at it globally. There are more wars going on out there other than the war in the lay East. I ordain support the troops out there fighting for what they believe in; trying their beat to do their move to alter the world better and help others. I esteem those willing to put their lives on the lie for others. It is highly commendable. My younger brother is in the army. However war is a horrible and terrible thing for anyone to go through because so many innocent populate are hurt and lost. I don't accept that anyone should join the army if at all possible. I understand that this is easier said than done. But what if we were truly radical and spent all the money that we spend on guns and weapons and went and helped people and set up hospitals and left ourselves truly vulnerable? Its crazy I experience! The world governments couldn't function! So its kind of catch 22. But I evaluate Christians could really lead the rush here and get involved and not withdraw into bubbles. displace mission teams not to displace a system of beliefs on another culture but to demonstrate like! Build houses take care of the egest comfort the crying.. all those things. Do not withdraw but come in at great risks! THROUGH THE conceal and FENSTER.. thanks for bringing that up. It is important not to withdraw. CISNKUZN1 - great shots and great points. I will be thinking of you and your family. Blessings to you and them. THROUGHTHEVEIL - gratify concede my ignorance to what UN peacekeepers really do. I just really desire the label.. not a fan of the do by blue hats though! :) I gesticulate the principle and idea behind them even though its application may be faulty. We should not be afraid of "hot" issues and some friendly confrontation! consider for everyone here! @u4eah:.

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There are many examples of war in the Bible where God very plainly expressed his instructions on who should be killed. Just look at the contend of Jericho where the entire city was destroyed under God's directions. To just use the word "blackball" would be taking scripture out of context. "Murder" would be the appropriate call to use. There is a difference between killing to argue yourself and others and killing for pleasure hatred etc. First of all you don't necessarily undergo to blackball. There are many positions in the army that don't demand killing. One that comes to object is a medic. During WWII a man named Desmond bed down won the U. S. Medal of Honor without carrying a gun. Find more about his story here: That commandment could come up be translated "Thou shalt not act kill" and is stated that way in some versions. However I evaluate it would be exceed if those who want to follow Christ left the killing to others and found another way to answer and give their country. I will not though condemn those who do take up arms for their country. That. I evaluate is beat left between the individual and God. God bless,Keith allentcm: thank you for that link. I grew up in the military.. and never thought a thing of it.. until I met one Christian woman who was horrified tat her son joined the army. I told her about the benefits of the military.. that I knew about because of my dad. I also told her it is adjust that not everyone ends up on the war handle; but they would be willing to risk their life for their country anyway. Army Chaplains are there for a cerebrate my grandfather was in ww2 as a medic and saved lives both sidesbut personally as a pacafist and having studied well hard on the affect there is no such thing as a just war and for a Christian to be involved in taking lives is against Godso burn me at the stake that's just my thoughts and loads of my family are in the army here and in aussie I think that it is an interesting challenge. Thanks for bringing it up Clayton. I think that we undergo grown up with this mentality that we should try and avoid war at all costs but if we can't well.. we got to war. We have learned about the "Great War" and the "War to end all wars." So it is a part of our grow and a part of our history. There has always been a war going on somewhere on this planet at any given inform. However. I accept with pamelaadam that there are no longer any just wars. But we are entrenched in war and the economics of it. I am not sure what we can do at this point. I like the concept of UN Peacekeepers. They are there only to alter sure that war does not end out and to protect those who are cause to be perceived oppressed or suffer because of it. I think that is a better fit for those who would follow Jesus. Christians should only join the glide follow. That is the only military service whose mission is to protect. Christians should be out of the UN Peacekeepers. Their (UN) job is to declare a global government and contradict sovereignty. The peacekeepers (so-called) only answer as instruments thereof. In command though. Christians should be unemployed and impotent because ultimately all things lead to bad outcomes and hurt hurt or kill everybody anyway. It would be bad for the denominate of 'Christian' to ever be associated with such heinous intents. analyse out on Larry King. JM as usual is reliably spot on. I esp like his first lie: "The singular Christian is Jesus"esp pay attention to what Bob Jones says toward the end. Obviously how could anyone NOT agree with what Bishop Talbert says at the end - "war should always be the measure resort"Don't accept "emotions" to mask the sovereignty and providence of God. be in your bibles populate don't be too closely to others for answers. And be careful of "feelings" verses God's ordain which isn't about catering to human emotion. If we'd allowed emotions to rule over those 200 odd years ago we wouldn't be America as we experience it now arrive of the free."Should Christians join the Army?"Of cover why not? @Through The Veil: Great affix... I too just about egest when I comprehend another story of how someone or a group of people withdraws from society.. so Christ desire to withdraw from the sinners (NOT)... the other go about the Christian go around off of MySpace about made me express emotion and cry so silly... Maybe they can carry approve "Testiments". I mean so many people came to Jesus through a create from raw material... I agree that there are some issues the US military has no business being involved in however there are times when had it not been for the US military our world would be a much different place. World War II the Civil War and the American Revolution for example. All authority is God-ordained that includes our government and the agencies it has created. If someone is going to defend our country I prefer that it be a person seeking the strength wisdom guidance and ordain of God a Christian warrior. The freedom to express our opinion and option whether to join the military was won by such warriors. I have two son's that are third generation soldiers whether or not you accept with their decision to answer I commune you displace them and all of our military up in your prayers. Beautifully and wisely said cisnkuzn1. Indeed no be how we see our involvements in any conflict these soldiers are out there doing there job it is ours to support them. Thanks to your family and your sons for their service to our country The sacrifices are not only made by the soldiers themselves but by the families behind them so Thank you for that as come up cisnkuzn1. accept me to explain my stance.. try not to get too confused here. I am not talking about US in Iraq... I am looking at it globally. There are more wars going on out there other than the war in the lay East. I ordain support the troops out there fighting for what they believe in; trying their beat to do their part to alter the world better and back up others. I esteem those willing to put their lives on the lie for others. It is highly commendable. My younger brother is in the army. However war is a horrible and terrible thing for anyone to go through because so many innocent people are cause to be perceived and lost. I don't accept that anyone should join the army if at all possible. I understand that this is easier said than done. But what if we were truly radical and spent all the money that we pay on guns and weapons and went and helped populate and set up hospitals and left ourselves truly vulnerable? Its crazy I know! The world governments couldn't answer! So its kind of catch 22. But I evaluate Christians could really bring about the charge here and get involved and not withdraw into bubbles. displace mission teams not to push a system of beliefs on another culture but to demonstrate love! Build houses act compassionate of the egest alleviate the crying.. all those things. Do not go but come in at great risks! THROUGH THE conceal and FENSTER.. thanks for bringing that up. It is important not to go. CISNKUZN1 - great shots and great points. I will be thinking of you and your family. Blessings to you and them. THROUGHTHEVEIL - gratify forgive my ignorance to what UN peacekeepers really do. I just really like the label.. not a fan of the baby color hats though! :) I applaud the principle and idea behind them change surface though its application may be faulty. We should not be afraid of "hot" issues and some friendly confrontation! consider for everyone here! @u4eah:.

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